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I used to love the carnival.

 

Daddy worked all the fairs,
selling pretzels, candy apples.

 

Always looking for something better.

 

Sometimes Mama would follow

 

and sometimes he'd even take us.

 

It was always a new adventure,
with a whole new family every time.

 

I figured we were the luckiest
girls in the world, with that life.

 

My favorite was the merry-go-round.

 

Maybe I was a little old for it,

 

but all those other rides,
they scared me.

 

But the merry-go-round just goes
round and round and up and down.

 

You don't get anywhere,
but you always feel safe.

 

That's me on the left.

 

Sylvia.

 

And this is my story.

 

Would you please state your name.

 

Lester Likens.

 

Are you married to Betty Likens?

 

Yes.

 

Did you and your wife ever separate?

 

Yes.

 

What period of time did that occur?

 

The last week in June, 1965.

 

She was at Euclid Street
and I was in Lebanon, Indiana.

 

Where were the children?

 

Jennie Faye and Sylvia Marie
was with her.

 

- You think we'll make some friends?
- Sure we will.

 

Maybe there'll be
some cute boys this time.

 

- Church boys can be cute.
- Come on, girls.

 

Don't wanna be late
for our first service.

 

- Daddy.
- Hey, Jennie.

 

- What're you doing here?
- Well, I missed you girls.

 

Betty, can I talk to you
for a minute?

 

You know, I've been talking to Horst.

 

He says we might swing
our own State Fair booth.

 

Maybe make enough to go on tour.

 

I told you, Lester, I can't.
Not with the girls.

 

Maybe my mother'll take them.

 

I can't move them up there again.

 

They haven't had a chance
to make friends here yet.

 

Betty, maybe we wouldn't fight
as much without the kids.

 

Mama?

 

You two go on ahead
and catch the church bus home.

 

I got to settle things
with your father.

 

"See what love the Father
has given us...

 

that we are called
the children of God."

 

And so we are.

 

But how does the child
come unto his father?

 

How does the father
come unto the child?

 

Christ said, "I am the Way,

 

the Truth, the Life...

 

and none come unto the Father
but by Me."

 

Be good.

 

Our families,
our fathers, our mothers.

 

It is only through Christ
that we find the Father.

 

And it is only through Christ
that we find each other.

 

That's a beautiful dress, Hope.

 

Thank you, Gertrude.

 

I'm feeling much better
on my new medicine...

 

and if you know anybody who needs
ironing done, I'd appreciate the work.

 

I'll do that.

 

Thank you.

 

- What happened to your leg?
- That's not polite, Shirley.

 

It's all right. She's used to it.

 

- So what is it?
- Polio.

 

Polio? Does it hurt?

 

Our Mama's sick, too.

 

All right, girls.

 

We gotta go.

 

- Can't they come with us?
- Want to come?

 

We got friends coming over, and
you could meet our older sisters.

 

Sure.

 

Guess who got stuck
with an extra shift?

 

You get paid?

 

Got a little extra for dinner.

 

- Here, take the baby.
- Where'd they come from?

 

- What's this?
- We invited them to stay and play.

 

We'll be quiet.

 

All right, make sure of it.

 

I like this song.

 

- What's your Dad do?
- He's a cop. They're divorced.

 

- You miss him any?
- I just miss his money.

 

- Paula!
- It's true.

 

Maybe if his support was more
regular, Mama wouldn't be so sick

 

and I wouldn't have to work so hard.

 

- Kenny's got a different daddy.
- Who's Kenny?

 

The baby. But we ain't supposed
to talk about that.

 

- There.
- You should do this for a living.

 

- If she was old enough.
- Want me to do yours?

 

- No, thanks.
- Yeah, she's the pretty one.

 

Yeah, she's got nice hair.

 

- I'm pretty, too.
- The hell you are!

 

Shirley, let me see that brush.

 

I tell you what,
let's go get a Coke.

 

My boyfriend at the liquor store
could sneak them out.

 

Sure.

 

You girls behave!

 

We're going to the grocery.

 

Tell Andy he owes for Kenny.
Don't waste time on that bag boy.

 

- He ain't a bag boy, Mama.
- He's still a waste of space.

 

- She don't like my boyfriend.
- Yeah, I can see that.

 

Hey, Johnny. Quit it!

 

Sorry, Mrs. Doyle.

 

- You weren't at church today.
- We're heading there now.

 

- Yeah, you better be.
- Let's get out of here.

 

My sister Stephanie.

 

She's a big help when she ain't
wasting time with her boyfriend Coy.

 

- Oh, God.
- Hey, Paula.

 

Mama was asking after her money.

 

I'll bet she was.
Who's your friend?

 

- Sylvia. But she don't talk to trash.
- 'Scuse me.

 

That's my Mama's ex-boyfriend.
He's only six years older than me.

 

Just like her mama.

 

That's him. That's my Bradley.

 

He's real cute.

 

We gotta be real careful, though.

 

Why?

 

Because he's married.

 

- I'm not even shittin' you! No!
- Paula!

 

Don't tell me
you never had a boyfriend.

 

There was this guy in California,
but I guess it was nothing.

 

At least you did
more than kiss, right?

 

Well, aren't you just so damn pure!

 

Come on.

 

Let's go.

 

This is Pleiku, 250 miles
north of Saigon.

 

The air base that was ripped
by the communist guerillas...

 

Marie!
I need you to feed little Kenny.

 

Mrs. Duke has to get this by 4:00
or I won't get a tip.

 

- We're out of milk.
- Go get some.

 

- The store won't give us credit.
- They will if you take the baby.

 

Hello!

 

I'm sorry. Somebody said
they saw my girls here.

 

You got no family here in Indy?

 

Well, not that
I could leave them with.

 

- 'Cause of them or you?
- Little of both.

 

Hi, Ms Baniszewski.
Shirley and Marie here?

 

Upstairs. Shut the door.

 

Looks like you got kids
running in and out all day.

 

Why don't you leave
Sylvia and Jennie here with me?

 

I couldn't do that.

 

I got six kids. Two more
won't make a difference.

 

I guess that's true.

 

$20 a week,
and you won't have to worry.

 

You'd be helping me out, too.

 

Well, I could talk
to my wife about it.

 

It's something to consider.

 

So, you'd never met Gertrude
Baniszewski before that day?

 

No, sir.

 

But you'd leave your children
with a complete stranger?

 

Well, like I said,
we got to talking

 

and she openly admitted
she'd take care of the children

 

and treat them
like they were her own.

 

Okay, here's $20 now...

 

and the next payment
a week Thursday.

 

- I'll need that money.
- Well, you'll have it.

 

- Johnny, bring the box upstairs.
- I appreciate that, sweetheart.

 

I don't want you to go.

 

The circuit'll be dying down
at the end of September.

 

That's over two months.

 

I promise I'll be back
to get you then.

 

Okay, kids. Bye, Jennie. Cookie.

 

You be good.

 

All right.

 

Bye, girls.

 

You girls make sure
you get everything you need.

 

Thank you.

 

Well, come on!
We'll help you unpack.

 

Everyone's real nice here,
I promise.

 

Hey, Paula, did you get
your cherry popped this summer?

 

You sure didn't, Teddy,
not with that face.

 

You know we're just playing.

 

Yeah, well, why don't you play
with yourself?

 

Coy's okay, but Teddy's
a goddamn delinquent.

 

Those guys, they're always
messing with somebody.

 

- I'm sure she'll be okay.
- You living with Paula and them?

 

Yeah. For a bit, I guess.

 

Saw you the other day.

 

I live around the corner.
I'm Ricky Hobbs.

 

Sylvia.

 

There's a football game this weekend,
if you'd be interested...

 

I don't much like football.

 

Sylvia, come on!

 

Goodbye!

 

- It's me.
- I hope you brought my money.

 

Nice to see you, too.

 

Came by to see my babies.

 

Leave him.

 

I got my call-up papers.
Be going to boot camp soon.

 

Put him back down.

 

Took me all day to quiet him.

 

- Not in front of the baby.
- Why? He don't care.

 

I do!

 

Listen, I'll be getting a paycheck,

 

so you'll be getting
payments regular.

 

Who's gonna take care of you?

 

Actually, I was wondering
if I could...

 

borrow a few dollars to go visit
my brother in Lebanon before I leave.

 

If I had the money,
I'd give it to you.

 

I saw your new boarders.
You're not doing that for charity.

 

I had to take them because of you.

 

I ain't paying for another man's kids.

 

You ain't...

 

I'm sorry, Gertie. I'm sorry.

 

So how was the first day of school?

 

I actually made a couple friends.

 

See, we ain't such bad people
here on the Southside.

 

Can you pick up the kids
and bring them home?

 

- I gotta take care of something.
- Everything all right?

 

Tell Mama
I got an extra shift at work.

 

Sure.

 

You know, Paula's looking
more like you every day.

 

Lucky her.

 

You should watch her, though.

 

She's been hanging out
with Bradley again.

 

I hate to think what'll happen.

 

Wife's got a bad temper.

 

You think I could get that money?

 

There's a twenty in the top drawer.

 

- Where do you live, Mrs. Doyle?
- 3848 East New York.

 

You can almost reach out your
window into the Baniszewski kitchen.

 

It's not that close.

 

Because of the experience you saw
Mrs. Baniszewski having there...

 

did you develop any bias
or prejudice against her?

 

No, I felt sorry for the lady.

 

I felt she was hard-working,
with all them kids.

 

Do you entertain any ill feelings
or animosity toward her?

 

No, I can'tjudge her.

 

I beg your pardon?

 

I can't judge her.

 

- Would you like to say grace, Sylvia?
- Sure.

 

Bless this food to our use
and us to Thy service. Amen.

 

Amen.

 

Somebody get out there
and feed that dog.

 

Sure, Mama.

 

- Sorry I'm late.
- Where've you been?

 

I picked up a shift from Ellen.

 

I told you not to see that boy.
I mean it.

 

- I didn't see him.
- Don't lie to me, Paula.

 

What, was he here?
Did Andy say something?

 

That is none of your business.

 

You don't want me making
the same mistakes you made.

 

I said, feed that dog!

 

Johnny, feed the dog!

 

What's wrong, Paula?

 

I've got problems, Sylvia.

 

Big problems.

 

With Bradley?

 

I went to the doctor's office.

 

I'm pregnant.

 

You know he's already married.
He ain't gonna want a baby.

 

And I don't know what I'm gonna do.

 

You gotta tell him.

 

I can't.

 

Well, you kinda gotta.

 

You need to promise me...

 

that you won't say
anything to anybody.

 

Not a word until I figure out
what I'm gonna do, okay?

 

Yeah, I promise.

 

It's gonna be okay.

 

Mama?

 

Mama!

 

I want you all upstairs.

 

Except for you two.

 

I want you down in the basement.

 

Your daddy's check
didn't arrive today.

 

It's probably just late.

 

I mean, my mama,
she wouldn't let him forget.

 

You know what I think?

 

I just took care of you two
for two weeks for nothin'!

 

I think your Mama and Daddy
left you here for good.

 

They wouldn't do that.

 

Keep your mouth shut.

 

Lean over those.

 

Go on. Lean over.

 

- Come on. Come on.
- No, don't, please.

 

- Get up!
- Gertie!

 

- No! Let go of me!
- Look, I can take hers.

 

Come on.

 

I need that money.

 

Come on, Jennie.

 

It ain't like we never
had a spanking before.

 

That check's gonna come tomorrow.
I swear.

 

- Johnny! Stop it!
- What? Give me that thing back.

 

Stop hurting it.

 

I'm 15. I should be able to go.

 

Well, someone's gotta look after the
little ones.

 

I wonder if Bradley is gonna be there.

 

Freedom was in jeopardy...

 

and a struggling people
had been brought...

 

almost to their knees
by aggression...

 

when William Westmoreland...

 

So what are you gonna see
tonight, Stephanie?

 

We ain't gonna be seeing
a movie, Marie.

 

The only thing she'll see is Coy's
hands while she's pushing him away.

 

- I might not be pushing too hard.
- Yeah, yeah, Princess Priss.

 

You'd scream if he breathed
on your blouse.

 

That's not true, Paula,
and you know it.

 

Don't give Sylvia the wrong idea now.

 

Look, I shot his eye out.

 

- Why'd you do that?
- Johnny, get out of here!

 

You're dead.

 

This is crazy.

 

This is crap!

 

There's nothing ever
to do in this shithole town!

 

- It ain't that bad, Teddy!
- Yeah, it is.

 

I don't know about you, but
I'm staying out all night tonight.

 

Your parents ain't gonna like that.

 

They don't give a shit.
Ticklish?

 

- You like it here?
- Yeah, it's real nice.

 

Look who's here.
I'll be right back.

 

Maybe you shouldn't.

 

Ricky, you shouldn't sneak up
on girls like that.

 

Sorry.

 

Hey, nursery's around the corner.

 

Better get back
before they miss you.

 

- Brought some favors.
- Gimme some of that!

 

- What are you doing here?
- I just came to see you.

 

I thought we talked about it.

 

I'll be right back.

 

I told you, my wife's back from her
cousin's house. That's it, okay?

 

Now be a good girl and
go play with your friends.

 

My mama's been calling you trash,
and I'm starting to believe her.

 

You should listen to your mama,
Paula. She knows best.

 

- I know you don't mean that.
- Get off me! Get off me!

 

No, I don't...

 

Is this what you want, huh?

 

- Stop it!
- Stop!

 

Get the hell out.
This's a private conversation.

 

She's pregnant!

 

Don't try to pull that shit on me.
I know that ain't true.

 

There ain't no way.

 

Stay away.

 

- Paula, I'm so sorry...
- You're gonna pay for that.

 

Paula, I just...

 

- Is everything okay?
- Will you quit following me?

 

Paula?

 

Honey, you're crying.
What's wrong?

 

I ain't talking to him any more.

 

That's a good girl.
That's a good girl.

 

We're gonna find you
a good man, honey.

 

Not like Andy or your daddy.

 

But Sylvia said...

 

What?

 

She's telling horrible lies about me.

 

What kind of lies?

 

Telling everyone I'm a slut.

 

You should've seen her with those
boys, telling everyone I was a slut.

 

Sylvia said that?

 

Don't worry, babe.

 

Don't you worry.

 

Did you ever hear Sylvia use
any profanity or vulgar language?

 

No, sir.

 

Do you know how often Sylvia went
to Sunday School and church?

 

- She went every time we would.
- Did Sylvia have a Bible?

 

- Yes.
- Did she dress up nice and clean?

 

Yes, sir.

 

As Matthew said,
"Enter by the narrow gate...

 

"for the gate is wide...

 

"and the way is easy
that leads to destruction.

 

"And those who enter by it are many...

 

"for the gate is narrow
and the way is hard...

 

"that leads to life.

 

And those who find it are few."

 

Jennie, come sit with me.

 

We need to get upstairs
and get changed.

 

I want you all down here.

 

Family meeting.

 

It's a lesson for all of you.

 

You need to apologize to Paula.

 

- But, Gertie, I didn't...
- I want you to apologize.

 

What'd she do, Mama?

 

She's been spreading lies
about your sister.

 

I'm sorry.

 

Paula, you have a right to get even.

 

What do you want to do?

 

I want you to punish her, Mama.

 

You need to learn to fight your own
battles, baby. Johnny, grab her arms.

 

- I said I was sorry!
- I don't care what you said!

 

Go on. She's got it coming.

 

Let go!

 

See if she can defend herself.

 

I am not! I am not!

 

- I am not!
- She's not!

 

Damnit!

 

That's it, that's it.

 

Get up. Get up.

 

She's learned her lesson.

 

That's what happens
when you tell lies.

 

Go on.

 

You, too. Get.

 

Are you awake?

 

Are you okay?

 

Did you say your prayers yet?

 

How about Mama's favorite Psalm?

 

"Turn Thou to me,
and be gracious to me, Lord...

 

"for I am lonely and afflicted.

 

"Relieve the troubles of my heart

 

"and bring me out of my distresses.

 

"Consider how many are my foes...

 

Thank you.

 

"...and with what violence
they hate me.

 

"Guard my life and deliver me.

 

"Let me not be put to shame...

 

"for I take refuge in Thee.

 

"May integrity and uprightness
preserve me...

 

...for I wait for Thee."

 

I hear your sister's pregnant.
Who's the guy?

 

Stop it, Coy, that's not funny.

 

I didn't say it.

 

A lot of people are talking.

 

Why aren't you in school?

 

You doing okay?

 

It's Sylvia, right?

 

- Eric.
- Yeah, I've seen you at church.

 

Yeah, that's me.
You going to the picnic on Saturday?

 

I hope so.

 

Maybe I'll see you there.

 

I better go.

 

What was Mama so upset
about the other day?

 

You heard. Told everyone
Paula was a slut.

 

That's not true, is it?

 

There's some worse rumors
going round about her now.

 

- You think she's pregnant?
- What do you think?

 

She's easy.

 

Thanks.

 

How's your mama?

 

- She still in the hospital?
- Yeah.

 

Who's taking care of you?

 

I am.

 

You don't have a girlfriend?

 

- I don't know.
- You don't know?

 

- I don't know.
- Does she know?

 

- You want a sip?
- I ain't old enough.

 

You ain't old enough to smoke either,
but that's not stoppin' you.

 

Jennie?

 

I think we should call Mom and Dad.

 

How are we supposed to do that?

 

I found this in the trash.

 

So, how long is Sylvia
going to be staying here?

 

You got a crush on Sylvia?

 

She is pretty.

 

When I was in high school...

 

I was popular with the boys, too.
They all chased me.

 

I believe it.

 

Thank you.

 

Oh, you're warm!

 

What are you doing home
from school so early?

 

I'm not feeling real good.

 

Paula?

 

You better go.

 

- All right, you first.
- Hello?

 

- Mama?
- Oh, honey!

 

I was afraid
you didn't get our letter.

 

Mama, we miss you so much.

 

I miss you, too, honey.

 

I'll be picking you up in two weeks.
So, how's everything going?

 

Well, Gertrude's awful strict, Mama.

 

We got in a whole lot of trouble.

 

What? Did she punish you?

 

In trouble again?
Let me talk to them.

 

She got mad
'cause your check's late.

 

- Our check was late?
- No, it wasn't

 

- Let me talk to her.
- We gotta go.

 

Sylvia? Sylvia!

 

They're coming, Mama.

 

Calling your boyfriend, Sylvia?

 

No. I mean, nobody special.

 

It was our parents.

 

Thank you, Jennie.

 

Where'd you get the money
for a long distance call?

 

I went bottle-picking
in the park and traded them in.

 

Honest, that's all she did.

 

What's she gonna do?

 

What she always does
when she catches you stealing.

 

- Are you gonna lie to me again?
- No, Gertie.

 

- You gonna steal in this household?
- I didn't steal from you, Gertie.

 

Are you gonna call your parents

 

and whine that Gertie
doesn't treat you right?

 

No, ma'am.

 

I'm sorry! I'm sorry!

 

That's a good girl.
That's a good girl.

 

You want to put some ice on that.

 

I think you stated, Marie, that
your sister Paula, you volunteered...

 

that Paula was jealous of Sylvia?

 

When she looked at her,
her eyes looked like she hated her.

 

Do you know
what the word jealous means?

 

Angry at someone.

 

Can you assign a reason...

 

as to why Paula might shoot Sylvia
those angry, jealous glances?

 

I guess Sylvia thought

 

she was more important
than Paula was.

 

Do you remember going
to Bethany Baptist Church...

 

and they had little sandwiches
and something to drink?

 

Haven't seen you at Youth Group
in a few weeks.

 

I'm sorry, Mrs. Orbach,
I had to work.

 

What happened to your arm, Paula?

 

I lost my temper. With Sylvia.

 

What do you mean? What happened?

 

She's been doing
some real terrible things.

 

Had to be real strict with her.

 

It's okay, it's okay.

 

Don't take too much.

 

What are you doing here?

 

Came by for the free food.
And the women.

 

I hope you don't want money,
because until John Senior sends me...

 

I'm not here for money.
Bradley sent me.

 

About Paula.

 

Did you say hi to the baby yet?

 

- Look, about yesterday...
- It's fine.

 

- Sylvia, I'm really...
- Mama'll be back end of this week.

 

Couple of my friends're eating
over there, if you wannajoin us.

 

Sure.

 

- Sylvia.
- Just one second.

 

Ricky, you know what I said
the other day about Paula?

 

Did you say something?

 

'Cause people are talking, and
Stephanie and Paula are blaming me.

 

No, I wouldn't do
something like that.

 

I better go.

 

They're saying she's pregnant?

 

I bet he'd be willing
to pay for the abortion.

 

- Keep your voice down, please.
- If Paula's willing to do it.

 

Anything to keep it quiet.
Here.

 

There'll be no abortion,
because she's not pregnant.

 

He didn't even know about it.
I think Sylvia's been saying it.

 

That girl's been nothing but trouble
since she came into my house.

 

If anybody's pregnant,
she is. I bet she is.

 

I'm gonna take off.
Bye, Kenny.

 

He'll be back, baby.

 

Coming over to hang out
with the grownups?

 

I got some advice for you.

 

I wouldn't come between Gertie
and her kids. She don't like it much.

 

Okay, Gertie?

 

Yeah. I'm fine.

 

A bunch of us're gonna go
cruise the circle. Want to come?

 

I should probably
ask Gertie first.

 

You sure?

 

Come on, let's get out of here.

 

Looks like Sylvia's
going off with them boys.

 

You sound surprised, Ricky Hobbs.

 

You shouldn't be.

 

Let me go again.

 

Okay, Patty, you can go now.

 

Sure you can't come
to the drive-in with us?

 

No, I'm late as it is.

 

Come on.

 

Well, I guess I'll see you
next Sunday, then.

 

Shut that door.

 

I thought I taught you a lesson.

 

I don't understand.

 

Apparently, you've been telling
more lies about my daughter.

 

I haven't told any lies.

 

- And then you flirt with Andy.
- I didn't.

 

I saw you!

 

It doesn't matter what you want,
you'll just...

 

you'll just go take it!

 

No, Gertie.

 

We were just talking.

 

That's all.

 

- Who's in charge here?
- You are, Mama.

 

That's right, baby.

 

Paula told me
about those boys in California.

 

Ricky, did Sylvia tell you about
all those boys in California?

 

If you won't listen, maybe
I can get through to your sister.

 

Keep her from making your mistakes.

 

Jennie. Do you want to be
like your sister?

 

No, ma'am.

 

That's a good girl.

 

Patty, then what did
Mrs. Baniszewski do?

 

She handed her the bottle
and told her to pull up her skirt.

 

And then?

 

And then she said to put it up her.

 

Did Sylvia say anything when Mrs.
Baniszewski asked her to do this?

 

All she said was...

 

I can't.

 

- What did Mrs. Baniszewski say?
- She said...

 

Come on.
You can do better than that.

 

Then what did Sylvia do?

 

What Gertie told her to.

 

What the hell's going on?

 

Somebody clean up that mess!

 

Sylvia, get upstairs.
Coy, get her up there!

 

Wait! I will not have her in
the same room with my daughters.

 

- Take her to the basement.
- Please. I'm sorry!

 

- I'm sorry! I'm sorry!
- Johnny, get the door!

 

Get her out of here!

 

Best to stay out of it,
I think.

 

Don't worry, Jennie.
Mama's just teaching her.

 

- She won't go down!
- I don't care! Just push her!

 

Hey, Marie!

 

Sylvia.

 

Sylvia.

 

I'm sorry, Sylvia.

 

But I'm scared.

 

I tried talking with Gertie.

 

She said you could have your Bible.

 

Jennie, Mama wants you upstairs.

 

Family meeting.

 

I'll do what I can.

 

She said now.

 

- Stop hitting me!
- Give it to me!

 

John, get me my medicine, please.

 

This neighborhood,
it's not good for my asthma.

 

- Maybe we could move.
- Where would we move to, Shirley?

 

- I don't know.
- I don't want to move.

 

I talked with your parents today.

 

Are they coming for us?

 

They picked up the Florida
leg of the circuit...

 

so they won't be here
until the end of November.

 

Their checks are coming in regular...

 

but my ironing's slowed down
quite a bit.

 

So we're all gonna have
to work together as a family.

 

Maybe I can eat more at Coy's house,
Mama. That might help.

 

- Coy?
- Mama won't mind.

 

- She likes Stephanie a lot.
- Thank you.

 

Paula.

 

Baby, you'll have to pick up
more shifts at work.

 

Maybe quit Tech for a while.

 

What about Stephanie?
Why does she get to go to school?

 

- 'Cause she's smarter than you!
- Well, I'm smarter than you!

 

- I'm smarter than the both of you!
- Stop it!

 

Stop it! Y'all stop it!

 

That's another thing
we have to work on around here.

 

We all have to learn
to get along better.

 

How long until Sylvia's
out of the basement?

 

Until she learns her lesson.

 

Mama...

 

She needs to be punished, Paula.

 

Yes, Mama.

 

Now if anybody asks, Sylvia...

 

had to go to Juvenile.

 

You got that, Jennie?

 

That's it.

 

Are you asleep?

 

You okay?

 

It's only gonna be
for a little while.

 

Did you ever hear or see Sylvia
talk back to anyone...

 

when these things were done to her?

 

No, I never.

 

When it first started,
did she say anything then?

 

No, except she would say "I'm sorry,"
or something like that...

 

as if she did something wrong...

 

but she never did anything wrong.

 

Did you yourself on any of these
occasions do anything to Sylvia?

 

I just did what I was told.

 

During September, did you see
anyone else do anything to Sylvia?

 

See, I told you so.

 

- Damn!
- What'd she do?

 

- She's been real bad.
- She's dirty.

 

Mama said she's a slut.

 

- Johnny!
- Don't worry. She's used to it.

 

Watch this.

 

- Nice, huh?
- You just burn her like that?

 

- Yeah. You can, too.
- I don't want to.

 

- What are you, chicken?
- It's okay.

 

Mama said we can.

 

Please don't.

 

Did you see Sally take cigarettes
and actually burn Sylvia with them?

 

- Yes.
- How many times?

 

Every time she came over.

 

- How many times would that be?
- Every day.

 

Did you go to 3850
East New York Street

 

during September and October?

 

Yes, sir.
We'd go most days after school.

 

Did you see Sylvia Likens
in the basement of that house?

 

Yes, sir.

 

- Did you do anything to help her?
- No, sir.

 

What were the other children
doing around the house?

 

Playing around.

 

Did you ever tell kids
to come to the house...

 

because everyone
was having fun with Sylvia?

 

I just thought we were punishing her.

 

Where was John standing
when he was washing her down?

 

- In front of her.
- Where was he spraying her?

 

- All over.
- Using whose hose?

 

It was my hose, sir.

 

Sally, did you ever see
other kids hurt Sylvia?

 

Yes.

 

Did you tell anybody
you saw these things?

 

Not really.

 

You told no one what was happening
at the Baniszewski house?

 

Well, I told my father Gertrude
gave Sylvia an awful whipping.

 

He told me I shouldn't do whatever
she did or I'd get the same.

 

Was your mother ever present while
other people did things to Sylvia?

 

Yes, she was.

 

How many times?

 

She was around about all the time.

 

And what did she say when
these people did things to Sylvia?

 

Nothing.

 

Did anyone order you to hit Sylvia?

 

No, sir.

 

- Or tie her up?
- No, sir.

 

- Or wash her down?
- No, sir.

 

Then why did you do it, Teddy?

 

I don't know, sir.

 

I don't know, sir.

 

I don't know, sir.

 

Come on.

 

- You two go upstairs.
- Yes, Mama.

 

Who is it?

 

You got any cigarettes?

 

Heard anything from Sylvia?

 

You really like her, don't you?

 

She's no good for you, honey.

 

Do you know
when she's gonna be back?

 

I told you,

 

she won't have
anything to do with you.

 

She's too busy with other boys.

 

That's why I had to send her
to juvie.

 

Go on. Get.

 

- Here's your money.
- Thank you, baby.

 

Paula.

 

Honey, you are a good daughter.
I'm so proud of you.

 

Doesn't matter what people say,
you're holding your head up high.

 

We're getting through this.

 

What about Sylvia?

 

I've been praying...

 

and I think it's time to forgive her.
She's learned her lesson.

 

There're things in life we have
to do, whether we like it or not.

 

Well, I don't want any part of it.

 

Paula.

 

Paula?

 

Come down here and talk to me!

 

Sylvia. I'm not gonna hurt you.

 

I'm not gonna hurt you.

 

I know what it's like
to be sick, Sylvia.

 

I've been sick for so long, too.

 

I can't...

 

discipline my kids
the way that I should.

 

I punish them, I know...

 

but sometimes, with my medicine,
I don't know what I'm doing.

 

And I care for them so much.

 

And Paula, the thing is that...

 

Paula's a lot like me.

 

I had her when I was
just about your age.

 

And then it was Stephanie...

 

and then all the others.

 

And then John left.

 

And here I am.

 

I'm still doing everything I can
to keep my family together.

 

I want something better for Paula.

 

There has to be something better.

 

And I need to protect my children.

 

Do you understand that?

 

You kids...

 

you're all I've got.

 

Thank you, Sylvia.

 

Thank you for understanding.
Thank you.

 

Hello, Reverend.

 

I've been meaning
to come by and visit...

 

but when Paula came to talk to me,
it just pushed me.

 

What's that girl
been bothering you with?

 

Well, she's concerned
about you and the whole house.

 

And there is something else.

 

I think Paula may be pregnant.

 

I'm prepared to offer
what support I can...

 

but I can't speak
for the entire congregation.

 

Reverend, I'm sorry. Thank you,
but that is a vicious lie...

 

and rumor spread
by that Likens girl.

 

Gertrude,
Paula talked to me herself.

 

Reverend, I don't understand that.
I'll talk with Paula.

 

But Sylvia's been
a very bad influence on her...

 

since she came to my house
and I have...

 

I just cannot discipline that girl.

 

Well, she did mention
Sylvia as well.

 

She said there were some problems...

 

and I haven't seen Sylvia
in church in weeks...

 

so I thought I'd sit down
and talk with her.

 

I'm afraid
I had to send her to Juvenile.

 

I just could not handle that girl.

 

- I caught her stealing.
- Have you spoken to her parents?

 

I tried. I wrote them. I called.
I haven't gotten a response.

 

Frankly, I now understand why
they just dropped her with me.

 

I see. I should go by the Juvenile
Center and speak to Sylvia myself.

 

- I'll try and arrange that.
- Hi, Reverend Bill.

 

Hey, kids.

 

Will you just see
to little Kenny, please?

 

We can continue
this discussion later.

 

Thank you, Reverend.

 

I'll see you on Sunday, then.

 

Come to my office
before the end of the week.

 

- We need to talk about this.
- Yes, Reverend.

 

Okay, Gertrude.

 

Don't you have any sense?

 

- I'm doing this for you!
- You let go of me!

 

I want everybody in the basement!

 

You know why you're here, Sylvia!

 

Ricky. She came back.

 

She came back from Juvenile...

 

and started
stirring up trouble again.

 

Stop!

 

- Johnny, hold her!
- Please, somebody!

 

- Keep her still!
- If you move it'll only be messy.

 

Light that.

 

No! Please! Please! Please!

 

- Stop it!
- Is it right, Mama?

 

- Make sure it's hot!
- Please!

 

- Please don't! I'm sorry!
- You're a liar.

 

Please, no, please! Please!

 

You branded my daughter!

 

Now I have to brand you.

 

Ricky!

 

Finish this. Finish.

 

Gertie, I can't.

 

Ricky, she's been
with every boy but you!

 

Can't let her get away with this.

 

- Please help me, Ricky.
- Please! Please!

 

That's a good boy.

 

Ricky. Ricky.

 

What does it say?

 

It says, "I'm a prostitute...

 

...and proud of it."

 

Sylvia.

 

You've got to get out of here.

 

You've got to leave.

 

You gotta get out, come on!

 

Mama?

 

- We gotta get out.
- I don't wanna go.

 

- We're gonna find your parents.
- Jennie?

 

I'm gonna take care of Jennie.

 

Paula?

 

- Go! Go! Just go!
- What are you doing?

 

- Let me go!
- Mama, stop!

 

- What's going on?
- Let's go in the house.

 

Sylvia!

 

Please. Please help me.

 

No, I'm not gonna hurt you.
I swear to God. I promise.

 

Look, I'm sorry. I didn't know what
the hell I was doing, all right?

 

You gotta believe me.
Please! Please.

 

You want to get out of here?
Let's go.

 

Come on. Come on, you're all right.

 

- Where're we going?
- I don't know.

 

You want to go to the police?
We can tell them everything.

 

- I gotta get to my mom.
- Where's your mom at?

 

I think she's in Portage.

 

We're going to Portage.

 

Damnit!

 

- Ricky! Ricky!
- My God. I know! We're going!

 

I'll come with you.

 

No, you gotta get back.

 

You gotta get back to Jennie and
make sure nothing happens to her.

 

I won't let her out of my sight.

 

Thank you, Ricky.

 

Daddy?

 

Cookie? What're you doing here?

 

Baby, what happened to you?

 

Oh, my God!

 

Oh, my God!

 

They did this to you?

 

I'm so sorry.

 

I'm just so sorry
I left you there.

 

Last week on the phone
Jennie said everything was fine.

 

She's scared of her.
We got to get back.

 

Let's talk in the car. Everything'll
be taken care of, Cookie.

 

You're with your family now.

 

Mama's gonna take care of you.

 

Hey, honey, we're here.

 

You stay here, Cookie.

 

I gotta do this.

 

I just gotta go in.

 

She's not breathing, Mama!

 

We'll wake her up, okay?
Don't worry, she's faking.

 

- Wake up, please!
- Stephanie?

 

- She's not breathing!
- She's faking, honey.

 

Somebody please do something!
She's not breathing!

 

- She's faking.
- Johnny, where's that water?

 

- Bring me some water, baby?
- Give me!

 

- Is she okay?
- She's not breathing!

 

Liar. Liar. Liar.

 

Mama, she's not faking it!

 

Came into my house
and told lies.

 

- Stephanie, what's wrong?
- Mama, we gotta do something!

 

- Breathe, Sylvia! Please breathe!
- Sylvia.

 

Shirley, it'll be okay.
It'll be okay.

 

Somebody please do something!
She's not breathing!

 

Shut up, Stephanie! She's lying!

 

- She's just been laying there.
- Oh, my God.

 

- Ricky, do something!
- Look out.

 

- Here, try this.
- Sylvia! Wake up!

 

- Come on, breathe!
- Paula, you go get Andy, baby.

 

- He'll know what to do, okay?
- Wake up, Sylvia!

 

She'll be okay. She's just faking.

 

- Please, Sylvia, breathe!
- She's cold.

 

- Somebody better call the police!
- Don't call the police.

 

Go!

 

She's not dying!

 

Get more water! Colder.

 

Babies, come here.

 

She's lying, baby. She's just...

 

Mama, she's not faking it!

 

I need the police.
There may be a dead girl at a house.

 

- She's dead.
- Jesus, Gertie.

 

What's the problem?

 

Get me out of here
and I'll tell you everything.

 

Jennie...

 

did you ever see Sylvia
do anything to Mrs. Baniszewski?

 

No, I didn't see her do anything.

 

Did you ever see her
do anything to Paula?

 

Did you ever see her
do anything to Johnny Baniszewski?

 

Jennie...

 

you saw your sister being hit,

 

beaten, struck.

 

Why did you not call the police?

 

Well, Gertie threatened me
that if I told anybody...

 

I'd get the same treatment
Sylvia was getting.

 

You could've told anyone up
and down that street.

 

I was scared.
And I guess I just...

 

did what she told me,
and I wish I hadn't.

 

Did you ever see Sylvia cry?

 

They said she didn't have
no feelings,

 

but I knew better.

 

I'd seen her cry before.

 

But I imagine...

 

the reason why she didn't cry was
because she didn't have enough water.

 

The trial lasted 24 days.

 

Gertrude was the last one
to take the stand.

 

What was

 

your physical condition
in July and August of last year?

 

Pretty run down, physically.

 

Pretty upset mentally
and emotionally.

 

What do you mean?

 

If you have as many children...

 

around your home all the time,
as I did...

 

arguing and carrying on,

 

you'd be pretty upset
mentally and emotionally, too.

 

What medicine did you take?

 

Phenobarbital sulphate
and Coricidin.

 

I was trying
to take care of myself...

 

because I could not afford
to go to a doctor.

 

Now then, getting
to the first week of September...

 

was there any change
in your physical condition

 

or in that of the house?

 

No, sir.

 

What about the third week
of September, you remember that?

 

You mean anything specific
that might happen in September?

 

Yes. Anything specific.

 

- The kids were fighting a lot.
- The kids were fighting a lot?

 

My children
and the neighbor children...

 

were coming in
and fighting Sylvia.

 

My children were fighting
other children, so on, so forth.

 

What'd you do
when they were fighting?

 

I did not see this fighting.

 

I was barely able
to stay up at all.

 

I did not even feel
like getting up.

 

Did you have any knowledge of any
mistreatment going on towards Sylvia?

 

No, sir.

 

Did you commit any indignity?
Make any marks on that girl's body?

 

No, sir.

 

- Do you know how she got those wounds?
- No, sir.

 

You're telling the jury
you don't know who did it?

 

Did you hear the testimony of Jennie?

 

Yes, I did.

 

Did you hear your children state
that before Sylvia died...

 

you started branding this girl?

 

Yes, I heard that.

 

Did they all lie?

 

That is right.

 

The fact is you're lying,
isn't it?

 

No, sir.

 

Did you hear John Baniszewski state...

 

that you burned her
with matches and cigarettes?

 

- Yes, I heard that statement.
- Did he tell the truth?

 

He is not telling the truth, no.

 

You're saying you did not do it.

 

That's right.

 

You were in bed a lot...

 

and didn't know
what the children were doing.

 

I imagine they were doing a lot
of things that I didn't know.

 

Why did John lie?

 

I imagine he's a pretty
scared little boy.

 

Are you scared?

 

I've been scared about a lot
of things for a long time.

 

She sacrificed me
to protect her children...

 

and sacrificed them
to protect herself.

 

Will the defendant please rise.

 

"We, the jury,
find Gertrude Baniszewski...

 

guilty of first-degree murder,
sentencing her to life in prison."

 

The case got a lot of attention.

 

Even made Time magazine.

 

At least people started talking
about things they used to ignore.

 

Thank you.

 

The others were tried later.

 

Paula was found guilty
as an accomplice

 

and served a couple of years.

 

She had that baby.
And named it Gertrude.

 

Johnny was convicted, too.

 

He was the youngest inmate ever
in the Indiana State Reformatory.

 

He became a lay minister.
A way to tell his story, I guess.

 

Ricky Hobbs,
guilty of manslaughter,

 

served time in the reformatory.

 

He died at age 21,
of lung cancer.

 

Coy also served a couple years.

 

He went on to a life of crime,
in and out of prison.

 

I don't know what happened
to the rest of them.

 

Mama and Daddy
went back on the road...

 

and left Jennie with the District
Attorney and his family.

 

They helped her
get back on her feet.

 

Gertrude served
20 years of that sentence.

 

She was released on parole in 1985.

 

Before she died,
five years later...

 

she took responsibility for
everything that had happened.

 

And me...

 

...I returned to the carnival.

 

The one place I always felt safe.

 

Reverend Bill used to say...

 

"With every situation,
God always has a plan."

 

I guess I'm still trying
to figure out what that plan was.